You ever think about ancient inventions that may no longer actively be used, but which were so geniously designed that technically speaking, they still work?
Consider that old historical monk haircut. The tonsure looks like that on purpose, to keep them humble and away from temptations of sin. And it still works exactly as intended. Do you guys have any idea how much gay porn there would be of medieval monastery dudes knowing each other biblically if their haircuts were not so unfathomably unsexy.
boy, I dunno what I expected after the first paragraph, but it wasn’t what I got
my friend and i were talking about how cool a porno parody of the truman show would be. like you have a guy who thinks he’s really having regular sex with a woman he met at the bar but then they pull the walls down and you see the bedroom was a set and hes in a warehouse surrounded by a film crew
I remember this one porn fic I read on alt.sex.stories.moderated in like 1995 of some German teenage tank crewman shipping East fucking this farm girl and knocking her up for the Lebensborn program and then thinking of her as he dies on the battlefield
I remember this one porn fic I read on alt.sex.stories.moderated in like 1995 of some German teenage tank crewman shipping East fucking this farm girl and knocking her up for the Lebensborn program and then thinking of her as he dies on the battlefield
Can someone explain to me how we got to gamer being a sexual archetype of male golden-hearted innocence , ala “golden retriever gamer boy”( the new stereotypical man for a bi woman to date according to tik-tok) , like we went from gamers being childish in a violent mean spirited way to being synonymous with misogynistic nerds to this? How do streamers factor in? Are video games such a ubiquitous hobby now that all it signals is “ introverted and sorta masc?“ as oppose to sporty and extroverted?, is then an indirect autistic fetishization thing? Like manic pixie dream girl? I feel like I’m out of the loop , I feel like I missed a couple steps.
Thru some combination of just getting old and not making the jump to the post-text internet I’m not in touch with the youth anymore enough to be picking up on this
I’m also not really in touch with tiktok trends, but it does seem like “sweet boy next door nerd-adjacent who won’t cheat on you like the popular guys” is basically “incel” with the sign flipped
you’re right but it’s also ‘sexually unadventurous/inexperienced shy girl next door’ gender flipped and like
that is sorta new! it’s intriguing
It is an intriguing reversal! How in-demand is that? Well, I haven’t seen it in the wild, but I’m not on TikTok; I’m an out-of-touch old person for this purpose.
Yeah I’m not sure (both on the question of how in-demand and how new the concept is).
It came up in conversation with @dagny-hashtaggart yesterday that girlfan favourite Alistair from the Dragon Age games is this trope, for instance. (Okay, he’s a version of this trope that can fight, but that’s pretty required of a party member, the most salient facts about him for my purposes here are that he’s dorky, kind and iirc-explicitly sexually inexperienced.)
I mean I should point out that when I was actually a teenager it was sort of Understood that sexually experienced guys might be hot in theory, but in real life you wanted to date someone whose level of experience was not too far from your own. The sexually unthreatening boyband member is a well-established trope dating back before Paul McCartney. And Tik Tok is full of actual teenagers. So.
Hypothesis that this is less a change in what girls actually want, and more a change in the extent to which girls produce content about the attainable realistic hottie of their dreams, a once mostly-male practice (wrt stuff that got exposure)
I don’t think there is anything to explain until you show me evidence that this is a thing, and at the same time, as soon there is evidence that this is a thing, it crosses into the mainstream and will cause lasting discourse.
Its absolutely a thing; The #gamerboy tag on Tiktok has 3.4 billion net views, and gets you things like Advanced Cuddling Positions w/ Your Gamer BF and transfem gamerboy hotness clips. You can explore the tag but very apparent to see its place in the #vibe space.
As for why, well I think its two fold. One, teens have way less cultural memory, so you want to look for “breaks” in internet communities. Like Reddit wasn’t a break from its predecessors; as a venue reddit copied memes & posts from other websites and discussed them, therefore inheriting the baggage of the old internet as it evolved it. Youtube however did that much less as it grew in popularity, and Tiktok does it not at all; content on Tiktok, due to being short video ai-voiceover/text overlay content, is pretty much all unique to the platform. As such 2005 gamer stereotypes simply don’t carry over very much.
That leads to why the new stereotypes are far more positive and weren’t just re-invented like for some other groups. I would generally pin that down to the rise of streaming and e-celebrities that became everyone’s first-brush exposure to a ‘gamer’ identity, and streamer celebs are charismatic, funny, and engaging by definition. Even though the audience for streaming is majority male its still way more approachable, its 35%+ female and reaches way more people than actually playing a game ever could. E-girl rose from twitch & youtube, gamerboy is the genderswapped version, its required.
Additionally I think avenues for teen hate are way more political these days; hating nerds is cringe, hating misogynists is vogue, but I lack confidence on that last one.
i do see a lot of doggirls with praise kinks, not sure if there's a causal relationship one way or another or if there's a shared origin or if it's just that praise kinks and doggirls are both sort of in fashion
Like it is great we’re exploring the thematic basis of female sexuality with perfect timing for me to internalize it with the new more interpersonal and psychologically informed personality settling in
Aw man, back in the Before Time Nubiles was introducing a pretty strong brand, PrincessCum, around a “she makes him cum in her” theme, with pretty strong scenarios and fiilming, and they were up to a “Season 2” video series when everything stopped. And I just finally checked back and now it’s “Season 7” but it’s channel drifted to a stepsister-seduction brand with girls who really can’t roleplay, interspersed with off-brand guest features but also the occasional one that still seems done by the original uh, creative mind
why is ABO the only porn with worldbuidling. “porn with worldbuilding” should be a whole genre
A theory I remember seeing a while back is that every big fandom produces a weirdly-specific kink structure that recurs over and over in fics for that fandom; usually you can see the connection between work and kink if you squint, but it’s not always obvious. If the fandom gets big enough and the kink isn’t too obscure, this spreads beyond the original fandom.
BDSM AUs originate from Stargate: Atlantis (probably from the military elements); ABO from Teen Wolf (okay sometimes it’s obvious); Homestuck produced kismesis and the other quadrant romances (unsurprisingly, for a work that paints the medium so hard, it’s literal and on-screen). I don’t remember Buffy’s legacy but I’m pretty sure it exists; same for Supernatural. Star Trek’s legacy might be “literally all slash fic” - obviously it’s going to be something drawn from Kirk/Spock but I am not a Fandom Old so I don’t know whether it was more specific. It’s presumably not always kinks per se, either - Slash and Soulmate AU are borderline, and Coffee Shop AU is clearly not a kink, but I’d bet soulmates and coffee shops have a similar origin story to the others.
Notable examples that didn’t spread beyond the original fandom, well, the one that comes to mind right now is Oncest. There’s plenty of less cursed examples but none of them comes to mind right now.
Anyway, maybe all you need to do is expand your horizons of what fic you’re looking at. In some obscure fandom you’ve never heard of, I’m certain there’s a weird new porn with worldbuilding premise waiting to be explored.
why is ABO the only porn with worldbuidling. “porn with worldbuilding” should be a whole genre
@cromulentenough said:
How fleshed out does it need to be? Does that doujin where doors are women and you need to give it an orgasm to unlock it count?
well imo it should emotionally inform the porn. it should be part of the Dynamic. it should feel emotionally/sociologically plausible given the material assumptions
porn with worldbuilding? you say you want porn with worldbuilding?
On alt.sex.stories they eventually worked up a “Naked in School” shared universe in which like, high schoolers would be randomly selected to be… naked in school for a week. Hundreds of stories followed one or several students through this week, though honestly it might have been the opposite of worldbuilding, these things – the week, the requirement to accept touching and “reasonable requests” between class, the option to request “relief” at the start of a class – were never accounted for, they were just preexisting structuring factors
Recently, my country (Russia) started an invasion of a neighboring country (Ukraine), you probably heard about it in the news. Just a week befaore that me and a few other people had opened the first kinkfest in our fandom, which consists of Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian fans. Of course, when the war started, we wanted to close the event because it seemed disrespectful (I mean, people die there, how can we think about porn). But we didn't do this, because a huge number of participants wrote to us, begging to keep the fest alive. As an organizer, I sort out mail from this participants every day. And I read how the they ask: is it possible to slightly increase the duration of the fest, I don’t have time to draw art, because there is no light in the bomb shelter? Or they write: tell the author of this text that their fanfic was the only thing that distracted me from the pain while I was in the hospital with a wound after the shelling. Every day someone says "thank you, it's the only thing that keeps me from going crazy". I always knew fandom was a place for escapism, but right now I'm watching hundreds of people survive the apocalypse one porn fanfic at a time. There is no moral here, I just wanted to share an observation with someone who is not directly involved in the events.
