curlymcclain:

curlymcclain:

sometimes i think i’m overblowing the weirdness of the gen z puritan thing but my roommate won’t wear her favorite skirt with a slit in it to a massive kpop concert because a member of the band is a minor

exact opposite energy

This bar running some kinda Crimson & Clover-ass playlist and it’s striking how many of these songs the message is “girl, let me draw attention to how you’re not a mature grown adult while I seduce you”

femmenietzsche:

Greek vase painting is a major source for scholars seeking to understand attitudes and practices associated with paiderastia.^[62] Hundreds of pederastic scenes are depicted on Attic black-figure vases.^[63] In the early 20th century, John Beazley classified pederastic vases into three types:

- The erastês and erômenos stand facing each other; the erastês, knees bent, reaches with one hand for the beloved’s chin and with the other for his genitals.
- The erastês presents the erômenos with a small gift, sometimes an animal.
- The standing lovers engage in intercrural sex.^[64]

Certain gifts traditionally given by the eromenos become symbols that contribute to interpreting a given scene as pederastic. Animal gifts—most commonly hares and roosters, but also deer and felines—point toward hunting as an aristocratic pastime and as a metaphor for sexual pursuit.^[65] These animal gifts were commonly given to boys whereas women often received money as a gift for sex. This difference in gifts furthered the closeness of pederastic relations. Women received money as a product of the sexual exchange and boys were given culturally significant gifts. Gifts given to boys is commonly depicted in ancient Greek art, but money given to women for sex is not. ^[66]

The explicit nature of some images has led in particular to discussions of whether the eromenos took active pleasure in the sex act. The youthful beloved is never pictured with an erection; his penis “remains flaccid even in circumstances to which one would expect the penis of any healthy adolescent to respond willy-nilly”.^[67] Fondling the youth’s genitals was one of the most common images of pederastic courtship on vases, a gesture indicated also in Aristophanes’ comedy Birds (line 142). Some vases do show the younger partner as sexually responsive, prompting one scholar to wonder, “What can the point of this act have been unless lovers in fact derived some pleasure from feeling and watching the boy’s developing organ wake up and respond to their manual stimulation?”^[68]

Chronological study of the vase paintings also reveals a changing aesthetic in the depiction of the erômenos. In the 6th century BCE, he is a young beardless man with long hair, of adult height and physique, usually nude. As the 5th century begins, he has become smaller and slighter, “barely pubescent”, and often draped as a girl would be. No inferences about social customs should be based on this element of the courtship scene alone.^[69]

Here’s a series of paragraphs. Imagine how annoying it would be if you were a teenager and someone gave you a chicken as a prelude to sex.

One thing Licorice Pizza got me thinking, if teens today are unslutty to the point of Puritanism a lot of it is was a generation was raised in dispersed suburbs without even anyplace to physically gather, the iconography of “the mall” as the teen gathering spot was really obsolete by my microgeneration

By contrast I went to Cornell with people who had been growing up in like Manhattan in the ‘90s and holy shit you guys, Kids was coming from somewhere

So as we return to the cities as nesting sites, there’s that to keep in mind

Worth pointing out that as much as Dazed and Confused (1993) re: 70s teen culture, the precedent for Licorice Pizza in terms of “coming of age in innocently sleazy 1970s Jewish Los Angeles” is Slums of Beverly Hills (1998)

All else aside, you’d think that all the Epstein stuff and MeToo and tales of Trump’s Democrat-donating days would’ve got you noticing that this was exactly the Clinton-era Democrats if you swap in “urban megawealth and media professionals” (and sexual use of young nominal employees more than direct enjo kosai)

fireleaptfromhousetohouse:

6hundredcubiccentimeters:

I do wonder, when will we see any serious engagement with the thought processes of the men and boys who really do wish they had been raped by a teacher?

(In case you’re wondering, she was redheaded, Californian - to me, exotic - and used my favourite William Blake quote unprompted.)

This isn’t just being edgy, or even mucky. There’s plenty of analysis out there about women’s rape fantasies, many desperately trying to verbal-diarrhea it into somehow being Woke and Feminist. But for men, there is far more of an impetus to want to be raped beyond finding the idea arousing.

Men in particular are told to see sex as both rite of passage and confirmation of their moral worth. And, something that’s probably related, men are in the modern milieu actively discouraged from being sexually aggressive - so, for het men who have internalised that idea, having a woman be sexually aggressive is a neat way of cutting that Gordian knot. To have her actually rape them is merely pushing that dynamic a little further (and, who knows, maybe adding an extra frisson).

How many incels, red-pillers, PUAs, and other facets of the broader sphere of dissatisfied men started out with the vague idea that women were likely to make the first move? In fact, screw these labels, how many men in general had that idea thrust upon them? If you’re knocking about this corner of Tumblr you can probably cite a few. And let’s not fuck around here, this is not some funny idea they picked up from watching too much My Little Pony, this is something that was inflicted on them - often by the media, often by well-meaning feminist authority figures - either way, it is this that has rendered them pathetic, kissless, handholdless, friendzoned incels. It is this that has made them something society at large loathes. So, and maybe this is a silly question, why not just stop? Why not just stop foisting these obviously harmful ideas on them? You don’t like what happens when they internalise these ideas - so why not just stop?

Doubtless some will want to lay the blame on the men and boys (who, helpfully, it’s acceptable to victim-blame) who were credulous enough to go along with this stuff. Hey, you know all that stuff we told you through your formative years? You know when we told you ‘if you behave in (x) way it will result in (y)’? Yeah, it was a big joke! Good luck!

Thinking about female students falling over Indiana Jones as the idealization of “The Cool Professor” and his sexual access to the young as a fringe benefit by Boomers who didn’t even go into academia

::remembers there is this whole sequence in the A Clockwork Butterfly movie about how well you can fuck the teenagers you picked up at the record store when you’re on amphetamines::

Guess.

For precedent, consider midcentury nudist/naturist culture, or even compare to other forces downstream of the early 20th century German “Wandervogel” movement, like hippies or liberatory pop-Freudianism!

You’re worried about thirtysomethings grooming 25-year-olds, I’m worried if we can work around SESTA in time to divert the backlash into enjo kosai and away from “open fam”. We are not the same.

kontextmaschine:

Portland announces it will aggressively clean or remove homeless encampments

I cannot emphasize enough how much the local left shot itself in the foot last year and left the downtown business/property developers/West Hills old money establishment as the only viable governance base in town.

After they damn near shot themselves in the foot in 2012 by going with super-insider Charlie Hales instead of trying to establish an Eastside base with Jefferson Smith, I’d been wary of Iannarone for years. But now that’s all sealed away for another generation!

Like, the Trump years started with the street left trying to clear out the right from the city and rightist groups from the outskirts mounting presence-showing drives and skirmishes, and that’s mostly settled in that they’ve focused on consolidating their suburban bases.

In suburbs in the two “country” cardinal directions, Vancouver across the river to the north is where “Patriot Prayer” mounted PDX actions from all along, when there was a police shooting a few months ago and the Portland regulars tried to send a delegation to protest the cops were on them like white on rice, which is maybe good cause it bought space from the locals patrolling them in trucks with ARs.

Salem, the capitol down in the farming Willamette Valley (it’s what the Simpsons’ “Capitol City” is riffed off!) is reportedly a no-go zone for visible leftists

Oregon City, the proximate southern suburb in Clackamas and probably the most bonehead part of the region, is hosting weekly Proud Boys “flag hoist” rallies drawing like 200 people and melee weapon vendors and regularly running off the “antifascists” who come down to hassle it

One thing is these are the exact places the fringes of Portland are going to get priced out to as North and Lents level up over the next 10-15 years. A big part of local street left lore is coming together to “take” the city from white gangs in the 90s after the murder of African immigrant Mulugeta Seraw, I don’t know they’ve yet grokked the significance of priming their future territory against them in the exact opposite way

THAT’S NOT ALL, the mayor’s pushback-reconsolidation drive has made use of connected black pastors E.D. Mondainé and Matt Hennessee and brought in played-the-mayors-aide-on-Portlandia-as-sitting-mayor-of-Portland Sam Adams as advisor (cause Wheeler really doesn’t know how to mayor. Afaik Adams’ contribution is Xanaxposting fights on Twitter)

The thing is those guys had kinda been on the outs over, y'know, kerfluffles over them fucking teenagers under their care or supervision, but all water under the bridge now.

Which is a tradition in Portland politics! It was an open secret in elite circles that 70s mayor turned Governor Neil Goldschmidt was fucking his aide’s daughter/babysitter, there was a thing with some Seattle mayor who’d made use of the kids as some 70s/80s outreach worker to homeless queer youth, they’ve been hassling some big donor in the hills and sotto voice the pushback is, like with Adams, gay people never gave up on the 70s and got weird about it

And not just elite circles. Maybe something about how Oregon was a frontier of hard-living, non-religious, very masculine-coded rural blue collar workers and rich playboy landowners whose culture really “set” in the 1970s, so there’s establishment buy-in to those values – we literally have a free expression constitutional right to full-contact nude lapdances, I’m not making that up. But like, the promotional materials for summer rock camp for girls pitching how fuckable chick rockers are as an appeal to parents re: enriching their adolescent daughters, seeing a bunch of locals get a bit drunk and trade “top this!” stories of all the teachers their friends were fucking in high school…

My #sex with teenagers kick the last few years, of realizing how key it had been to everything for decades? That came from somewhere. Portland is quite literally the city Omelas, you know, “utopian city where everyone ultimately makes their peace with the fact it’s all built on child abuse”, is based on. So over and above the 2010s valence, when the answer to “how bad did they fuck up?” is “so bad they forfeited all progress with getting the establishment to stigmatize sex with ~MiNoRs~” like, they fucked up

cop-disliker69:

Part of what sent me on my “ooooh, the next turn is gonna be about sex” kick since a few years ago was seeing this guy – okay so like, the master theme of the last decade was “oppressed sexual minorities”, like find your identity and push back against the haters, you’re fated to win right? – and like he was going all in on “Minor-Attracted Person” pride because his girlfriend was a year younger than him but he turned 18

Oh no, my prediction is that it’ll collapse gracefully, bend like the reed rather than break like the tree. That the coming cultural dispensation will be more favorable to sex with teenagers is a forgone conclusion.

Like what are the alternatives? Things keep going further, past the age gap discourse that’s already slipped the surly bonds of earth? They even stay the same? Like, have you noticed in the last 6 months the spread of disdain for youth “purity” culture? How no one even tries to justify or argue with them anymore, they just hold them up for an antagonist faction to knit itself together by mocking? Seriously, have you considered what happens if there’s no give and “don’t fuck adolescents” goes down in memory as a central issue of the discredited old order the next wave is defined against?

I talk about the turn-of-the-80s latchkey moment with Brooke Shields as a mass-market pubescent sex object to highlight how far we moved from there. The “family values” thing took! The concept of “child pornography” as something that lacked the constitutional protections of regular pornography was only invented in the 80s! But remember, we got there from The Fifties!

And we got to The Fifties from the Jazz Age! Observers at the time thought the class ring/fraternity pin/“going steady” thing, Marriage Junior, represented a conservative swing in youth culture from the flappers, pre-Code movies, “petting party” oat-sowing they grew up with! These things reflex, that you could think they only go in one direction is just evidence we’ve reached apex on one swing and our derivative’s about to go negative

etakeh:

anarchistettin:

seeing Barbara Walters interview them like they were a romance for the ages turned my stomach & made me angry & touchy for a year solid 

kids deserve a full life without being made into a pedophile’s “dream come true” 

A guy once told me that this situation was totally ok, because “what teenaged boy wouldn’t want to do it”. 

Way to miss the point while making it, bro.

Once again, I refer you to Barstool’s “Grading The Newest Sex Scandal Teacher”, the regular feature (taking a pandemic break, I assume) lightheartedly reviewing female educators caught fucking their students

I can see the logic of “stop random adults from chatting up kids they like the looks of” and of “but of course allow communication between two mutuals”.

But given what I know of the influencer attention economy and general adult/youth segregation since 80s helicopter parent exurbanism, it strikes me that “the only adult voices children will be exposed to are the particular petty celebrity charismatics who have succeeded at charming them into their retinue on a numbers game basis” is also not ideal and suggests failure modes

Even beyond sex stuff. Like, we have a whole folk legend about the Pied Piper, remember?

people don’t remember that in the late ‘90s Salon still had a hardon for child liberation and occasionally ran series on how PINS – “person in need of supervision”, the idiom by which judges were still putting slutty girl-teens under formal control – was bullshit

Or about how there was still a network of on- and offshore schools you could have your kids professionally kidnapped and sent to to treat them being incorrigible or queer – this was kinda what But I’m a Cheerleader (1999) was about

Portland left Twitter (public defenders’ branch) was like “I can’t believe the Portland establishment is featuring this connected black pastor to bless their approach after people were saying he fucked them as teens under his care!” and I’m like that guy’s still around? and nope, totally different guy, from years ago.

Also a mayor of Seattle was scandaled for fucking teen boys in 80s Portland, and of course mayor-governor-US Sec. of Transportation Neil Goldschmidt fucking his 14yo babysitter in the 70s was apparently an open secret in power circles to the point couples were going to costume parties as “Neil and the babysitter”

Realizing that “furry” as the idiom I primally grokked same-sex attraction didn’t mean an otherkin/fursuit fetish but, as Colin Spacetwinks has pointed out, that it’s the one genre of gay erotica that doesn’t seem to be hypersexualizing some particular aspect into absurdity, it’s Just Some Guys who like sucking each other off

And it’s weird that’s in the funny animal art tradition but it’s not like it would be better as newspaper comics or the Liefield tradition (and as someone who came up in the 90s on pro comics artist lewds and “Tijuana Bible” h-doujins of like, Blondie on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cartoons I speak with authority here)

In live-action I guess I go for the “emo boys” stuff, I like that hesitance-not-reluctance. “Twink” is used too promiscuously to be that useful. Like sometimes it seems to be just “he’s too fresh to pitch as daddy”, then you’ve got your real Saint Sebastian types, then just “skinny”

Then there’s the ones that can kinda sell adolescence, none so well as the End Of the World video but that’s porn production values for you, and I get the eager vulnerability but any morality aside I’m realizing I just didn’t have this sexuality in my adolescence to form triggerable associations – absolutely no memories of the beautiful shining boy I crushed on at 14, the mate I wished saw me as a mate, the me that wished some guy would discover me, etc.

kata4a:

well it’d certainly be convenient

in the slasher revival ‘90s there was this movie Cherry Falls where they realized the killer was targeting virgins so the climax was at an orgy where all the high schoolers were trying to lose theirs

for a while it was the movie the MPAA doesn’t want you to see but when it was eventually released it wasn’t that great, like it clearly understood something psychosexual was going on but not as well as all the Final Girl theorists or Kevin Williamson

If it stayed in development another decade it might have had potential as a Diablo Cody piece, she would have at least made a thing about how “Sex = Survival” was the opposite of the HIV '90s