{"version": "1.0", "type": "rich", "title": "So if we're all doing our retrospective takes on the Iraq War, mine was\u2026 it wasn't that big a deal? In scale, direction, and...", "author_name": "kontextmaschine", "author_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "provider_name": "kontextmaschine", "provider_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "url": "https://kontextmaschine.com/post/712444482312863744/", "html": "<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"/post/712443805104832512/\" target=\"_blank\">kontextmaschine</a>:</p><blockquote><p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"https://balioc.tumblr.com/post/712442407708426240/the-iraq-war-the-cultivated-reaction-to\" target=\"_blank\">balioc</a>:</p><blockquote><p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"/post/712437307387576320/\" target=\"_blank\">kontextmaschine</a>:</p><blockquote><p>So if we&rsquo;re all doing our retrospective takes on the Iraq War, mine was\u2026 it wasn&rsquo;t that big a deal? In scale, direction, and costs borne and imposed it was basically well within norms for what the country might get distracted with over a two-decade period.</p><p>Already within my lifetime the specter of the Vietnam War, once <i>much</i> more significant in national affairs, looms not <i>nearly</i> as large as I remember it doing in the &lsquo;80s (indeed, the easy victories of the &ldquo;Desert Shield/Storm&rdquo; Iraq excursion of the early '90s were specifically hailed for dispelling this &ldquo;Vietnam Syndrome&rdquo;), as colorful but not particularly important chapter of 20th Century American history.</p><p>While the action did not serve to renew America&rsquo;s post-Cold War unipolar &ldquo;hyperpower&rdquo; moment, I honestly don&rsquo;t think it accelerated its end any, which looks to be more a product of the development of China and reassertion of Russia than any &ldquo;Clash of Civilizations&rdquo;.</p></blockquote><p>&hellip;the Iraq War &ndash; the (cultivated) reaction to it, and then the backlash to that reaction, and then the fallout from the actual war being such a huge debacle &ndash; ended the decade-and-a-half End of History.</p><p>Even if it had <i>no lasting geopolitical impact whatsoever</i> (which seems like a stretch), its impact on the American psyche was quite enough to be a History-Defining Big Deal all by itself. </p><p>Which seems like it would be your jam.</p></blockquote><p>I mean that was the <b>way</b> it happened, but if not for that then\u2026?</p><p>Like, if it didn&rsquo;t have military commitments at the time the US might&rsquo;ve engaged harder in the Crimea crisis, and the Syrian civil war would have been obviated and the big refugee flow to the EU preempted. That&rsquo;s the two things I can see going differently.</p></blockquote>\n<p>When you follow all the subplots through the real winner of the Iraq War might&rsquo;ve been <i>Recep Tayyip Erdo\u011fan</i></p>"}