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yuri-alexseygaybitch:

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dirt-creature:

apas-95:

Blowback moment: Italian police busted a neo-Nazi terrorist cell planning attacks, and discovered that the members had been trained by, and gotten fighting experience from, the Azov Battalion.

Sorry, is this pro-invasion propaganda? I’m all for bashing fascists, but I need to be sure I understand the implication here. Can you explain?

Apologies if I’m misunderstanding.

The “implication” here is “those people are Nazis”. Because that’s what they are.

You guys are honestly so fucked if you’re unwilling to acknowledge the simply and widely documented (including by Western MSM pre-2022) reality that there’s far right nationalist/neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine with links to other far right groups throughout Europe and beyond who go there for training and war tourism for fear of appearing “pro-Russian.” Literally the most uncontroversial and simple opinion you should have on Ukraine is Nazis are bad and your government should stop giving them guns and money.

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Oh yeah on here the old “zentropista” account of the Italian Casa Pound fascists would pump up Azov around the Crimea crisis; the “Ciao Dmitri” thing when someone died falling off an overpass during a banner drop and they kicked off a big campaign they’d clearly had as a contingency plan for building up a martyr \u2013 Dmitri had been a Ukrainian performing allyship at home

That said, it is not remotely uncontroversial and simple to refuse anti-Russian Nazis. That’s post-term antifascism. Remember “premature antifascists”, people rallying against the Nazis in the decades before they were built up as enemies of America in the runup to WWII? When they were just against Communist Russia, or at least Russia, or communists? And if you couldn’t bear that then uhhhhh\u2026 not to be trusted, there.

And flip side after the war Eastern European (and even marginally onsides First World like Italy) fascists were aligned with us, against the Russians. Remember like, the The Nazis Nazis? Those guys were against the Russians! And then we were. And are! And Azov’s not about to try to dismantle Western European capitalist empires sooooo\u2026

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