Re: Culture wars over plural marriage, yeah, the prospect of that + Hordes of Futureless Young Men is enough to make me go 'not fucking worth it, one spouse per customer, the Civil Rights Bus stops at Transhuman Station.
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWait so you\u2019re on board with stuff up to the frontier now but that would be too much for you?
\n\n!!! That\u2019s a promising sign, that\u2019s how it works!
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Modern nonmonogamy isn\u2019t the same thing as traditional polygyny, polyandry is part of the deal as well, each horde of futureless young men can share a girlfriend/khaleesi
Yeah I\u2019m not betting civilization on that given how rare it is historically compared to traditional polygyny, and I know you will never, ever agree to any sort of security mechanism such as \u201cfor every polygynous marriage there must be a corresponding polyandrous marriage.\u201d
Restless young men is one of those things correlated with civil disorder, like this is textbook political science taught in university political science classes, here\u2019s an article from The Economist, even.
There\u2019s no point having an incel uprising for this, and trying to make it work the other way by increasing the number of women will screw up the neurotype distribution.\u00a0
We can revisit the matter once bodies and sexualities are more mutable.
\u201cFor every polygynous marriage there must be a corresponding polyandrous marriage\u201d I think you just accidentally invented the greatest fanfiction trope ever.
\u201cI know a guy who wants to marry his three weed-smoking girlfriends and so to help him out we all need to pretend to be married, and there\u2019s only one bed\u2019
Anyway every anti-poly argument has a corresponding anti-gay argument and the restless young men thing reminds me of the once-extremely-common argument that allowing homosexuality would destroy civilization by catastrophically lowering birthrates and that\u2019s why the government has a legitimate interest in suppressing it by force. As though 100% of the population would become gay immediately once it was legally allowed. Did you notice your implication here that most monogamously married women would actually prefer to become Chad Thundercock\u2019s nth wife instead of staying married to their beta soyboy husbands? I feel like if that were true it\u2019d be a stronger argument for polyamory than anything else I could come up with.
The thing that\u2019s actually causing the violence in South Sudan and \u2018polygamous regions of Indonesia\u2019 referenced by what I could read of that paywalled article isn\u2019t polyamory, it\u2019s very clearly sectarian conflict involving a certain religion that coincidentally allows polygyny that university political science textbooks and Economist columnists aren\u2019t legally allowed to blame for anything.
Young men in Western societies who have no prospect of ever possibly having a relationship with any woman typically only cause violence and civil disorder in League of Legends.
Instead of increasing the number of women to deal with this supposed restless young men problem, let\u2019s do the next best thing, let\u2019s randomly select young men to receive thousands of hours of Pornhub sissification hypnosis video training, so that each household in the future will be made up of a man, his harem, and their staff of femboy maids - an extremely stable and harmonious social arrangement, according to anime I have watched.
This suggestion seems stupidly evil. Nonconsensual mental modification (if it worked) would be a crime on the same level as murder (or possibly higher). I don\u2019t think anyone who would even half-jokingly suggest such a thing seems likely to be worth engaging with. (I have blocked sadoeconomist; I would have to be extremely surprised by what they have to say next to make me believe that it could be worth hearing.) Furthermore, the suffering of those who can\u2019t find a partner due to macrosociological effects is real and not OK to mock. In times of economic iniquity it\u2019s often poor men, but in the aftermath of war or plague it can also be women.
\n\nI also don\u2019t think it\u2019s a coincidence that areas with fucked-up, violent gender relations have fucked-up, violent culture more generally, and vice-versa. I believe it\u2019s common for violent young men in e.g. South Sudan to profess the difficulty of obtaining a wife as motivation for their violence; I seriously don\u2019t understand the way of thinking that would deny their stated motivations.
\n\nGiven that it seems straightforward to draw a line of inference from polygyny -> young men can\u2019t marry -> young men become more violent -> society at large becomes more violent and chaotic, it seems reasonable enough to suggest a ban on polygyny (and therefore polygamy generally, because equality) for social harmony reasons.
@carchasm blocked me over this post; fuck them as well as sadoeconomist, I guess. Kinda bitter to lose someone you\u2019d had positive interactions with, but so it goes, I guess. Maybe I\u2019m too harsh, I don\u2019t know.
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