{"version": "1.0", "type": "rich", "title": "Were Achilles and Patroklos Lovers? - Tales of Times Forgotten", "author_name": "kontextmaschine", "author_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "provider_name": "kontextmaschine", "provider_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "url": "https://kontextmaschine.com/post/677321531121106944/", "html": "<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"https://jenlog.tumblr.com/post/677308516196925440/were-achilles-and-patroklos-lovers-tales-of\" target=\"_blank\">jenlog</a>:</p><blockquote><p class=\"npf_link\" data-npf='{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://href.li/?https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2020/10/04/were-achilles-and-patroklos-lovers/\",\"display_url\":\"https://href.li/?https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2020/10/04/were-achilles-and-patroklos-lovers/\",\"title\":\"Were Achilles and Patroklos Lovers? - Tales of Times Forgotten\",\"description\":\"In twenty-first-century adaptations of the story of the Trojan War, Achilles and Patroklos are often portrayed as gay lovers. This is how th\",\"site_name\":\"Tales of Times Forgotten\",\"poster\":[{\"media_key\":\"48e07710331d556d769a105b7e67cd84:a10c213a4124f4c6-fc\",\"type\":\"image/jpeg\",\"width\":1024,\"height\":1011}]}'><a href=\"https://href.li/?https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2020/10/04/were-achilles-and-patroklos-lovers/\" target=\"_blank\">Were Achilles and Patroklos Lovers? - Tales of Times Forgotten</a></p><blockquote class=\"npf_indented\"><p>The Athenian philosopher Plato (lived c. 429 \u2013 c. 347 BCE) has the speaker Phaidros in his dialogue\u00a0<i>The Symposion</i>\u00a0say  that Achilles and Patroklos were lovers. Contrary to Aischylos,  however, Phaidros insists that Achilles was the eromenos and Patroklos  was the erastes. Here is what Phaidros says,\u00a0<a href=\"http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/symposium.html\" target=\"_blank\">as translated by Benjamin Jowett</a>:</p></blockquote><blockquote class=\"npf_indented\"><p>\u201cVery different was the reward of the true love of  Achilles towards his lover Patroklos\u2014his lover and not his love (the  notion that Patroklos was the beloved one is a foolish error into which  Aischylos has fallen, for Achilles was surely the fairer of the two,  fairer also than all the other heroes; and, as Homer informs us, he was  still beardless, and younger far). And greatly as the gods honour the  virtue of love, still the return of love on the part of the beloved to  the lover is more admired and valued and rewarded by them, for the lover  is more divine; because he is inspired by God.\u201d</p></blockquote><p>very happy to learn that the ancient Greeks also had seme-uke discourse</p></blockquote>"}