{"version": "1.0", "type": "rich", "title": "Don\u2019t you think Russia is historically justified by seeking to annex lost territories with majority Russians? Obviously using...", "author_name": "kontextmaschine", "author_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "provider_name": "kontextmaschine", "provider_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "url": "https://kontextmaschine.com/post/676866942585487360/", "html": "<div class=\"question\"><strong>Anonymous</strong> asked: <p>Don\u2019t you think Russia is historically justified by seeking to annex lost territories with majority Russians? Obviously using force is bad but compared to the rest of europe? To America? </p></div>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"https://ghostpalmtechnique.tumblr.com/post/676863193853935616/dont-you-think-russia-is-historically-justified\" target=\"_blank\">ghostpalmtechnique</a>:</p><blockquote><p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"https://afloweroutofstone.tumblr.com/post/676856871647346688/dont-you-think-russia-is-historically-justified\">afloweroutofstone</a>:</p>\n\n<blockquote><p>I cannot stress enough to you how batshit insane it is to argue that a country has the right to invade and annex territories that contain a lot of people of their predominant ethnicity. Why not have the Dutch invade South Africa, or the Mongolians invade northern China, or <i>Germany invade Austria</i></p></blockquote><p>Although sort of hinted at in the examples, this understates the case explicitly.  Much of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts identifies as Russian-Speaking Ukrainians (with the latter being an ethnicity, not just citizenship), not &ldquo;ethnic Russians&rdquo;.   </p><p>A convenient table of polling data from an article you can otherwise ignore for not making the distinction I&rsquo;m about to<br/><a href=\"https://regnum.ru/news/society/2240754.html\" target=\"_blank\">https://regnum.ru/news/society/2240754.html</a></p><div class=\"npf_row\"><figure class=\"tmblr-full\" data-orig-height=\"227\" data-orig-width=\"770\"><img src=\"/media/98cb429a79f4fe0f252aae127a3b8b05620dde03_872069aa5564.png\" data-orig-height=\"227\" data-orig-width=\"770\" srcset=\"/media/8ef81e0fc944d66045128a8d3129d531eff65c2b_bcd343e234b7.png 75w, /media/0aac4eabbc30d37c271eb377fea732aee771679c_8e50c57a694a.png 100w, /media/d03dd80f7b996e7c05b5dc841c82838940fd3ae4_6b4ff3303d20.png 250w, /media/45417fac39f7c5765b0bb303eafe2e26d69c3611_06a89e95e6b7.png 400w, /media/8e69aa2a68c0e9afbcd94e84f25aee10196d556d_afe20d6a472a.png 500w, /media/dfed4cf36dbe5d3e880ff41d35fd92beadd14bc4_3c859cb55e5c.png 540w, /media/98cb429a79f4fe0f252aae127a3b8b05620dde03_872069aa5564.png 640w, /media/f29c652dab21e96543459fb9b4ca1b61bebbcda4_e6dcdfc055bb.png 770w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\"/></figure></div><p>The proportion of Donetsk residents self-identifying as Ukrainians was, if anything, rising in the years leading up to Russia&rsquo;s hybrid invasion.  It drops afterward, but that&rsquo;s t least as likely to be&hellip; not &ldquo;social desirability bias&rdquo; so much as &ldquo;not-getting-disappeared bias&rdquo;&hellip; as it is anger with the government in Kyiv.</p></blockquote>\n<p>I mean how much of that is just that Russia/Ukraine maps to a legacy Orthodox/Catholic split?</p>", "thumbnail_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com/media/98cb429a79f4fe0f252aae127a3b8b05620dde03_872069aa5564.png", "thumbnail_width": 640, "thumbnail_height": 189}