{"version": "1.0", "type": "rich", "title": "calc bc is not really 'math', that starts at basic intro to proofs course like uni-level discrete math or real analysis....", "author_name": "kontextmaschine", "author_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "provider_name": "kontextmaschine", "provider_url": "https://kontextmaschine.com", "url": "https://kontextmaschine.com/post/662402730487414785/", "html": "<div class=\"question\"><strong>Anonymous</strong> asked: <p>calc bc is not really 'math', that starts at basic intro to proofs course like uni-level discrete math or real analysis. obviously 'verbal elite' is no less inherently socially legitimate than 'illiterate mounted warrior elite' once was but if we're talking about top-tier intelligence (ability to genuinely comprehend and have insight into complex systems, not just facilely string together just-so stories), a guy who can barely crack calc bc is not even in the top 10k in the pac nw, sorry</p></div>\n<blockquote class=\"npf_indented\"><p>id also note we&rsquo;re really one or two generations past the high water mark of the &lsquo;verbal&rsquo; elite, e.g. every new billionaire is a guy who was good at math, the garden path to ascending to upper-middle class status runs through STEM and you personally are just coasting off the accumulated wealth of the previous generation</p></blockquote><p>Yeah I think a lot of why I had thought of myself as STEM-leaning in the first place was I was just good at doing calculations in my head and when I saw that&rsquo;s where math was going in college it just didn&rsquo;t <b>interest</b> me like history. Honestly if I even had to go back in that direction I&rsquo;d go with a more immediately applicable field of engineering.</p><p>As for the rest\u2014 well, it&rsquo;s clearly about your broader issues and I&rsquo;m just being used as a peg to hang it on, but I&rsquo;ll say this: in the 1980s there were\ufffc exactly that kind of path-to-UMC careers in the telecom, medical, and chemical industries of southern New Jersey.</p><p>But New Jersey had relatively high state taxes to support, honestly, a lot of the wreckage of midcentury coastal industrial urbanism \u2013 Camden, Philly&rsquo;s Newark, was especially heinous \u2013 and I realize now that a lot of the adults I encountered at say, the country club in those years were in the process \u2013 extending the utilities, polishing the schools, laying out subdivisions, preventing a <i>Mount Laurel</i>-equivalent inclusive zoning precedent, creating a unified calendar of local enrichment activities for kids, using weird carve-outs in state law (&ldquo;resort town&rdquo; designation) to push our town as the cultural hub \u2013 of luring them and using them as raw material with which to build a new world in their names.</p><p>And these guys weren&rsquo;t mathematically illiterate \u2013 summer work in a law firm you come to realize that development financing structures are often <i>very</i> logically and mathematically (and legally!) complex \u2013 but what they were doing, upstream of all those grad-schooled workers, was basically reading trends, applying judgment to them as related to facts on the ground, and doing the verbal/relational work of convincing each other to act \u2013 like I said, clan of <i>lawyers</i>, the ability to construct a chain of reasoning to lead people to any given conclusion is not something to be underestimated \u2013 and that&rsquo;s the sense of the world I first internalized</p>"}